How funny, I heard of something like that in another village were a resident who did not like the outcome of the reno proposal went around with an unsigned letter accusing the proposed contractor of all sorts. As soon as the proposal got voted down, he withdrew the letter and nothing more was said on the subject.

I think the answer here is to ensure that the management fees are set at a level that people pay on a monthly basis and don't get lumped with a large excess every 7 or so years.

Is there a website or an open forum about the Greenvale renovation ?

Thx

Can't afford to pay? Too bad.

A resolution passed at an Owners' Meeting is binding on all owners. The time for owners to make their concerns known was before the resolution approving the work was passed.

Now that the resolution has been passed, under the Deed of Mutual Covenant CM has the authority to sell your flat to recover any outstanding debt. My recommendation is to remortgage your property yourself and pay.

Sadly, you cannot rely on the good will of others, especially when it comes to property. The big fish know all the angles, and can easily pick off the minnows. There is a reason that the little fish swim in shoals.

I heard that a couple of the ringleaders are estate agents, with flats in the Greens, and were using their "professional" contact lists to ring around and get support.
Seems they are close to getting the 20%.

Apparently they got 100 or so angry owners to disrupt the first VOC meeting and demand a new vote.
Sounds like the VOC stood up to them and told them the get the 20% if they wanted a new owners meeting.

I think the problem is that a lot of people didn't bother reading the documents the VOC produced, didn't bother turning up to the briefing session the week before and either didn't bother coming to the owners meeting or left early because they were a bit "bored" by the presentation.
Democracy requires you to educate yourself about issues, and if you didn't bother spending a bit of time reading the documents and coming to vote, then it is your own fault if things don't go the way you might have wanted to to go if had actually made the effort.
Now the VOC, who have spent years getting it the renovation this far, have to waste more of their, and our, valuable time pandering to these owners. Lets hope the VOC doesn't just throw up their hands and walk away from the whole thing!

Please help me understand. Thanking you in advance for your patience.

With regards to the Village renovation, ample time was given together with breakdown of the cost that would be incurred. Everybody in the Village got the same information.

Apparently an AGM was held to vote if the Village Renovation should proceed. There was what I heard a resounding YES to the proposed renovation.

Then a few days or weeks later, I heard from my friends that a group of residents started canvasing for support to overturn the decision to renovation.

Question:

1. If those who later decide to go against the renovation because of the cost or disagree with the cost, then aren't they equally irresponsible.

Majority had agreed. So isn't there a democratic vote.

Another round of voting, isn't it a waste of everybody's time if it was reflected at the first AGM.

2. For those who wanted to have the renovation carried, apparently it was never fully renovated for the past 15 or more years, are frustrated.

Who is right and who is wrong?

It is a matter of time before our own village is affected in a similar fashion.

Life is already so complicated. I wondered why cant seem to find a simple solution to things that considered important to all.

Herne wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 7:01am:

Oh purleese, call it what you will - a valid vote perhaps - but do not call it democracy when vested interests and tender bid-rigging are suspected.  Education required all round.

JojoS wrote on Jul 30^th, 2016 at 3:45am:

It has been presented and is being investigated.  A better deal may not be achievable.  That is no reason to let the wool be pulled over our eyes and refer to the deal as 'democratic' as one poster above has done.  That was my point.

I just find it ridiculous that there are a group of people who can not accept defeat.  These individuals need to realise that with every year that we delay this renovation the cost will increase:  Labour rates go up on an annual basis due to a shortage of manpower, cost of living in HK is on a continuous rise.  We also need to accept that it has now been about 15 years since the greens have been renovated, and with the shoddy materials that are being used in our buildings, we need to accept that our buildings will start to show their age very quickly. 

It seems that there will be people who do not mind to live in buildings that look worse than Public Housing Estates.

PLEASE READ THIS YOURSELF TO SEE WHETHER WE ARE PAYING TOO MUCH.

Price  to be adjusted based on the current number and different in design standard.

www.hkis.org.hk/hkis/general/bsd/BuildingMainCostDataFINAL_e.pdf

Building Maintenance Cost Data Research

Aging of buildings in Hong Kong has become alarming concerns of the government and general public.  With the increasing public awareness of the importance of building maintenance, there has been growing number of building maintenance and repair works in Hong Kong.  However, information about building maintenance cost data or index is rarely found in the market.  The Hong Kong Institute of Surveyors (HKIS) has therefore collected a pool of relevant cost data in the market and commissioned a research assisted by the Department of Civil and Architectural Engineering, City University of Hong Kong (CityU) to establish this information system.  We hope it can give layman owners and Incorporated Owners a rough indication on the cost range for repairing and upkeeping their buildings.

BUILDING MAINTENANCE COST RANGE (at 1st Quarter 2012 Price Level)

No. of Storey
  Building Age
≥ 7 storeys
   
< 30 years & >7 Storeys
HK$38,000 – $45,000  per Unit 
≥ 30 years  & > 7 Storeys
HK$44,000 – $54,000  per Unit 

Remarks
  The cost range has generally covered the works of preliminaries (such as insurance, precautionary and protective measures, temporary electrical and water supplies, etc.), scaffolding, concrete/render/plaster repair at external walls and internal common areas, repainting, waterproofing works, replacement of windows and fire doors in common areas, fire safety improvement works, plumbing and drainage works, lighting system, rewiring etc.   
The works shall be carried out by a Registered General Building Contractor and supervised by qualified building professionals.
Cost information in this publication is indicative and for general guidance only and is based on rates at 1st Quarter 2012. 

Article on protest against bid-rigging in today's HK Standard:

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news.php?id=176809&story_id=47138368&con_t...

Do anybody know what hapened to the thread that was here yesterday for the prices of the renovation?

Ger wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 8:30am:


maibe Trump or Putin?

www.hkis.org.hk/hkis/general/bsd/BuildingMainCostDataFINAL_e.pdf

This was posted earlier on the historical building maintenance cost in HK.

The role of Quantity Surveryor( QS)  is to review & control the cost of project. They have the access of current prices in the market including all districts in HK. To understand whether the tender prices are acceptable or not. QS will normally compare the tender price received with the market price or similiar projects conducted. Projects in DBmay attractive few percentage higher prices than those in Kowloon or NT Districts.
From the tender analysis prepared by the QS for this project:
A)external wall - around 22% over the estimate
B)ground floor lobby work including life interiors- 2.7 times of the estimate
C)renovate typical floor lobbies- 1.3 times of the estimate

From the above price summary, it will not be too difficult to made the decision. The VOC should just proceed the project for item A. Item B & C are far too expensive. However,  from the communication from VOC, they still  want to proceed the whole scope for this project & they also have failed to negotiate the price down  further.

It will not be too difficult for all owners to guess the motive for doing so ? In commerical world, this tender should should be reinvited and more capable bidders are considered.

correct. You can find the tender analysis in the notice board as well .

Ah it's my post. Why is it disappeared? 

I tried Ger's way, i can still see it from this link:

http://www.discoverybayforum.com/cgi-bin/yabb2611/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1484047385/1...

VivienDB wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 7:28am: