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Reply #50 - Jul 16th, 2010, 12:37am
 
indie, i'm totally agree with you!
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Reply #51 - Jul 16th, 2010, 1:10pm
 
Putting aside for a moment the arguments that DB attracts people to invest in it for what it is and how the place would change for the worse with the added danger, noise and pollution, consider this:
If cars were allowed in, there would have to be car parking spaces. People wouldn't want to park their cars in a multi-storey at one end of DB as it would be too inconvenient. Parking would be constructed at the cost of some of the other amenities we enjoy and pay for such as playgrounds. It's also inconceivable that there would be immediate car parking for all so there would be a quota system imposed. Let's say 250 cars. People would only be allowed to bring cars in if they owned a car parking space. HKR would then tender these car parking spaces for sale to the 200 highest bidders, making sure to reserve the other 50 for their own people, I suppose. Down the line, this would be repeated every few years to bring in maximum revenue to HKR and our nice DB lives would be over.

As a previous poster sagely observed: if you choose to eat in a vegetarian restaurant, don't expect to be able to order meat. So those who would like the private car lifestyle should move somewhere where it is easily available.
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Reply #52 - Jul 16th, 2010, 2:30pm
 
I have in now way encoraged or asked people to join the forum to "skew" the results of the poll. Infact i know of only one person who has voted in favour of private cars and as you can see he has overeacted a little. When i was discussing this with him over a cold beer, i had no idea he would even visit the website.

As for the vegetarian resturant i see this thread as the resturant where the patrons vote for the style or cuisine of its choice whether it be a place that serves steak or a place that serves steamed vegetables. Obviosly people like steamed vegetables so the majority has it. For those who like steak well youre going to have to find another resturant. But on the other hand Maybe we can get by with a few veggies.

This is all very well but HKR has this in the plans and ofcourse when they want something they will get it. So whats holding them back? a governmanet grant. Which if and when this is granted it is inevitable.

Ofcourse this will go to the vote like the ferry change and the taxi service and look how successfull they were to the people who didnt believe in it.

I appreciate everyones input. This is why i opened the forum not to argue or get in fight but to share each others opinions as i said at the start WHOS WITH ME followed by a question mark.





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Reply #53 - Jul 16th, 2010, 2:33pm
 
musarewa wrote on Jul 16th, 2010, 1:10pm:
Putting aside for a moment the arguments that DB attracts people to invest in it for what it is and how the place would change for the worse with the added danger, noise and pollution, consider this:
If cars were allowed in, there would have to be car parking spaces. People wouldn't want to park their cars in a multi-storey at one end of DB as it would be too inconvenient. Parking would be constructed at the cost of some of the other amenities we enjoy and pay for such as playgrounds. It's also inconceivable that there would be immediate car parking for all so there would be a quota system imposed. Let's say 250 cars. People would only be allowed to bring cars in if they owned a car parking space. HKR would then tender these car parking spaces for sale to the 200 highest bidders, making sure to reserve the other 50 for their own people, I suppose. Down the line, this would be repeated every few years to bring in maximum revenue to HKR and our nice DB lives would be over.

As a previous poster sagely observed: if you choose to eat in a vegetarian restaurant, don't expect to be able to order meat. So those who would like the private car lifestyle should move somewhere where it is easily available.


I fully agree with you. DB is not designed for car ownership. Limiting cars to the richest bidder is the same as the golf carts. And look at how the carts must be parked far from the owners home. The only solution is to provide the best, reliable, and cheapest transport system in and out of DB for those of us who do not need nor want to own or drive our own car. It has been said before, and again: if DB doesn't fill all your needs or wants, don't live here,
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Reply #54 - Jul 16th, 2010, 2:50pm
 
As far as I can tell. you can park your cart pretty close to your place, unless you live at the wrong end of Coastline.
Greens/Sienna/Jovial etc/ Crestmont/Capridge/Hillgrove/Parkvale/Parkland/Hospital/Woods all have parking very close by.

There simply isn't the infrastructure to have hundreds and hundres of new car parks built into 'old' DB - if HKR were planning to try for private cars, they would probably build under/into the new flats - but they have to get government permission first. If the cars were limited to driving straight from the tunnel to the 'new' flat, then those of us living in the rest of DB would not be too severely impacted, and those of us not in favour would have a hard time convincing the government that it would adversely affect the people already living here.

If HKR is even thinking about this for 'old DB"(and we only have Charles' word that this is indeed the case) then I hope they are saving up a billion dollars to buy out all the golf cart licenses!
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Reply #55 - Jul 16th, 2010, 2:55pm
 
Indie, In regard to what you have said you personally think that this is my own self gain kew word being "own" saying that i feel that i am not the only one to gain from this. "CHOSEN"? I am not forced to live here by my job, i have the option to live elsewhere but this is and always has been my home of CHOICE. Property prices yes they do go up but business is going well apart from the summer holidays but in general it is flowing if anything we are running thin on properties making more demand regardless of private cars, prices will go up although it is good for landlords who are in favour of change it is bad for me as i dont own but i have been renting for the past three years. prices go up i pay more like every other tenant. now you know my position.
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Reply #56 - Jul 16th, 2010, 2:59pm
 
I believe that the only way they would be granted in the first place is to only get in the north side. if it was for all of DB which i am against they would probably replace our golf carts with a parking space worth equally as much if not more. I dont think HKR would imply that.
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Reply #57 - Jul 18th, 2010, 2:49pm
 
charles wrote on Jul 16th, 2010, 2:30pm:
I appreciate everyones input. This is why i opened the forum not to argue or get in fight but to share each others opinions as i said at the start WHOS WITH ME followed by a question mark.



Charles, I'm certainly not with you. You were raised in DB where you enjoyed a safe, quiet, relatively unpolluted upbringing and now that you're old enough to own a car, you want to deny the next generation of DB kids the same thing.

I know you're a good lad and mean well but I think that's a bit selfish.
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Reply #58 - Jul 26th, 2010, 7:06pm
 
i honestly think this would be great would love to have a car always missed the luxury. but i would only want it given that it was restricted to the north side. i Dont think it would be as bad as everyone thinks it is because the traffic would not be affecting any other area then the north side which even then they only come and go they dont linger around.
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Reply #59 - Jul 27th, 2010, 1:32pm
 
North side only? Thin end of the wedge, my friend. Apartheid is never pretty.
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Reply #60 - Jul 28th, 2010, 11:39am
 
musarewa wrote on Jul 27th, 2010, 1:32pm:
North side only? Thin end of the wedge, my friend. Apartheid is never pretty.


That's exactly right. Once they're in, they will being coming all the way in. It's naive to think otherwise. And then one of the few remaining 'good points' of DB will be gone. TC here I come....
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Reply #61 - Jul 28th, 2010, 2:44pm
 
but look at the golf carts they could of put more in but they didnt they just capped it at 500 HKR are good at keeping to thier policy not good at alot of things but that is one of thier traits and always has been.  Smiley
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Reply #62 - Jul 28th, 2010, 4:16pm
 
mhhh so why exactly would that be a good thing? why would you need a car in db?
sorry might sound stupid, but i really cant bring myself to come up with a good reason...
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Reply #63 - Jul 29th, 2010, 11:22am
 
senses wrote on Jul 28th, 2010, 4:16pm:
mhhh so why exactly would that be a good thing? why would you need a car in db?
sorry might sound stupid, but i really cant bring myself to come up with a good reason...


And why, if you need a car so badly, did you move to a place that bans private cars in the first place?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #64 - Jul 29th, 2010, 12:53pm
 
lazy people you need a cars just to do a few meters what is wrong whit you ( sorry if i offended annyone but i lived here my entire life and im against pollution )
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Reply #65 - Jul 30th, 2010, 10:57pm
 
Yes to Taxi but north side only, although I do think the whole taxi deal was for the hotel, but hey at least we can get some where if we were in a hurry, rushing to work or got drank in central at 2.01 in the morning and have no ferry till 3.30 ferry. I think having the taxi just up to the hotel is a great idea. (Although I do want it right to my door step, but just to the hotel is fine too)
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Reply #66 - Aug 1st, 2010, 1:06am
 
NO! NO! NO! to allowing private cars or taxi in DB!!!
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Reply #67 - Aug 1st, 2010, 9:01am
 
NO! NO! NO! to allowing private cars in DB!!!
YES, YES, YES to allowing Taxi in DB!!!!!
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Reply #68 - Aug 1st, 2010, 1:00pm
 
No to cars! No to Taxis!
What's wrong with a taxi stand at the toll station right after the tunnel?? Plenty of buses go there every few minutes. Take it from there folks.  Smiley
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Reply #69 - Aug 2nd, 2010, 2:19pm
 
yes to private cars yes to taxis
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Reply #70 - Aug 2nd, 2010, 4:06pm
 
i find it funny how the few out of many people saying no to this subject only have one to two posts Huh
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Reply #71 - Aug 2nd, 2010, 4:14pm
 
So what?
If you only post once or twice on topics that are important to you, does that make them any less valid?
Real estate agents would love it if HKR opened up a bunch of car parks for sale and rent: more work and profit for you guys, right Charles?
You can't run a hotel without taxis - anyone with half a brain would have gathered that HKR would have got all the right people at the transport department greased up before they started building. People who buy into 'DB North' will know what transport options are there when they make that decision. Those of us who bought into 'old' DB based on no private cars might have a different opinion - and it's the respect afforded that opinion should not be contingent upon how many posts there are on a forum.
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Reply #72 - Aug 2nd, 2010, 4:53pm
 
charles wrote on Aug 2nd, 2010, 4:06pm:
i find it funny how the few out of many people saying no to this subject only have one to two posts Huh


I say no also, this is not about what is best for the community as a whole, this is all about what is best for the profits of HKRi.
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Reply #73 - Aug 2nd, 2010, 5:56pm
 
Blondie, i sense a bit of aggresion in your last message, as i have made clear countless times if the property market goes up the demand is higher makes the competetion more fierce and business very slow due to us running out of properties this in no way has anything to do with my work. The clear fact that you know my position here in Discovery Bay shows the only thing you know about me and therefore are misinformed of where i stand i thought i made this clear before. This has nothing to do with the property market at all.

i have clearly tried to make a statement due to the suspicous amount of people with one to two posts which i am sure could be justified but at the same time can be someone logging in twice to as what someone told me before just to skew the results.

this is clearly a question and smells a bit funny but as i said before could be justified.

remember this thread has nothing to do with financial gain only personal gain. Shocked
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Reply #74 - Aug 2nd, 2010, 6:48pm
 
All I want to do is roll deep in my bimmer; can't a brother even do that?

HKR are despotic, tyrannical and fascist; I don't even know what to think, what to feel, what to say any more - they are a pervasive parasite, infecting our very thoughts.

What's next? A new 'DB Youth' group; a 'Strength through Joy' program? When will the line be drawn?

If we don't stop HKR soon, they are going to demand the annexation of Mui Wo, and then invade Tung Chung!

"Diseases desperate grown, by desperate appliance are relieved, or not at all."

Don't cower away in indifferent inertia; stand up and be counted, or forever remain on the floor.
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Reply #75 - Aug 2nd, 2010, 8:16pm
 
In a poll started 2 weeks ago and has only garnered 72 votes to date, the last thing to be concerned about is polling manipulation. This poll is basically being ignored.
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Reply #76 - Aug 2nd, 2010, 10:41pm
 
Charles - when the property market gets busy, the turnover of properties is also higher. More flats/houses/golfcarts/carspaces to sell only offers an agent more chances to make a buck. It's no secret that when the market is on the up, property agents do well: if you don't believe that, then you'd be about the only agent in DB that likes it when it's slow!
If you want to start up a poll in some kind of self interest, then it's a bit rich to start questioning the results based only on the member's number of posts.
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Reply #77 - Aug 3rd, 2010, 1:04pm
 
lord of aids interesting comment but you are correct,

Blondie as i stated before the fact is and i should know this from a real estate point of view that the market is moving always, people are buying/renting regardless of the market price therefore never making business slow even on the holidays. The reason why i started the thread and i will say again has nothing to do with financial gain. The reason you are saying this is because that is the only thing you know about me because it was stated on this very thread. I have loved cars my entire life apart from real estate it is another passion.

i feel that having cars in the NORTH SIDE ONLY is not as bad as people are making it out to be. As i said before this is my opinion and i am entitled to one.
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Reply #78 - Aug 3rd, 2010, 1:39pm
 
In Hong Kong, when property prices are up, more and more property agents open shop - and that is because there is more money to be made. When prices are down, you see property agents closing down everywhere.

It is a fact of life in Hong Kong that:

Property prices go up - more money to be made by property agents. Property prices down, less money to be made, and agents lose business and shut down.
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Reply #79 - Aug 3rd, 2010, 2:18pm
 
Charles - fine: that's your opinion. But your opinion cannot help but he coloured by your job as a real estate agent, just as I cannot help my opinion being coloured from a resident's point of view.

I still think it is disingenous of you to start a thread, then question the opinion of those who disagree with you based only on their number of posts. PLus, although you have tried to assert the contrary, you - as a real estate agent - would stand to profit from any move towards selling car spaces, should private cars be allowed into DB.

If you have a passion for cars, go and work for Maserati, or Porche or Mercedez in Wanchai: then you can watch all the cars you like, as well as breathe in a the roadside pollution they create. We don't need private cars in DB.

That's my opinion, and I'm also entitled to it.
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Reply #80 - Aug 3rd, 2010, 3:26pm
 
A HUGE NO TO PRIVATE CARS!!!  Angry
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Reply #81 - Aug 4th, 2010, 9:12am
 
You will say that its a huge NO, but look at the poll HKR did with their postal poll.

On the basis that a lot of people just cannot be bothered to fill in these things, but HKR get all their people to, the polls for them are always going to be in favor.

Only the other week just about every village chairman voted against HKR, but the vote still got carried in HKRs favor, its a total fix.
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Reply #82 - Aug 5th, 2010, 11:58am
 
i give up on this debate about financial gain as i have said countless times before that is not why i am for the subject and then indie comes in again and places her facts. all well i guess its time to give up fingers are getting tired. Roll Eyes Lips Sealed

Blondie, i just thought it was a little odd but yes you are right if it is someone elses opinion regardless of the amount of posts then they to are entitled to share their opinions.

between you and i lets just say you have your opinion and i have mine and lets leave it at that.
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Reply #83 - Aug 5th, 2010, 4:22pm
 
blondie there again fighting for a cause which is unnecessary finding herself doing nothing but debating over the internet to which has no effect on what HKRI will do anyway
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Reply #84 - Aug 5th, 2010, 5:06pm
 
ranting there again fighting with whoever takes their fancy finding themselves doing nothing but making fun of others on the internet to which has no effect on what anyone will do anyway.

Try using some punctuation.
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Reply #85 - Aug 5th, 2010, 5:36pm
 
rantingisannoying wrote on Aug 5th, 2010, 4:22pm:
blondie there again fighting for a cause which is unnecessary finding herself doing nothing but debating over the internet to which has no effect on what HKRI will do anyway


Let me get this straight, ranto. You think Blondie wastes her time on this forum so you immediately waste yours in telling her? Jeez...
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Reply #86 - Aug 6th, 2010, 1:45pm
 
I would say we are all wasting our time on this thread.  There will only be 1 result and I think we all know what is coming sooner or later, whether we like it or not….
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Reply #87 - Aug 6th, 2010, 3:15pm
 
George wrote on Aug 6th, 2010, 1:45pm:
I would say we are all wasting our time on this thread.  There will only be 1 result and I think we all know what is coming sooner or later, whether we like it or not….


I'm afraid you're right! It's just pathetic watching people who moved to a place that prohibits private cars now demanding that private cars be admitted. It's like the people who move next to airports and then complain about the noise!
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Reply #88 - Aug 6th, 2010, 3:56pm
 
Comments on this forum are really neither here nor there....if HKR want cars coming in then you can be pretty sure they will eventually come in.  Kind of pointless argueing amongst ourselves...
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Reply #89 - Aug 9th, 2010, 3:21pm
 
george in full agreement with you as i said in one of my earlier posts
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Reply #90 - Aug 10th, 2010, 2:10pm
 
Charles, you also siad in one of your earlier posts that you were going to shut up about this subject.  Grin
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BlondieHK wrote on Aug 5th, 2010, 5:06pm:
ranting there again fighting with whoever takes their fancy finding themselves doing nothing but making fun of others on the internet to which has no effect on what anyone will do anyway.

Try using some punctuation.


Roll Eyesi can imagine with your 1500 posts you have managed to brush up your punctuation, but i dont have as much time as you to get things right Roll Eyes
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Reply #92 - Aug 10th, 2010, 5:14pm
 
You're right - it's tough to think before you type..... Tongue
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Reply #93 - Aug 10th, 2010, 7:12pm
 
you take this forum thing so seriously its funny im just curious as to where you find all this time maybe you dont have a job.
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Reply #94 - Aug 10th, 2010, 7:14pm
 
rantingisannoying wrote on Aug 10th, 2010, 7:12pm:
you take this forum thing so seriously its funny im just curious as to where you find all this time maybe you dont have a job.


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Reply #95 - Aug 10th, 2010, 10:21pm
 
Yeah - that's it. I'm just another lazy DB housewife. Given you've been around for 5 minutes, and your posts consist of berating and ridiculing people who actually make sense, I would guess that you are an incredibly powerful executive w/banker?
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Reply #96 - Aug 10th, 2010, 10:39pm
 
BlondieHK wrote on Aug 10th, 2010, 10:21pm:
Yeah - that's it. I'm just another lazy DB housewife. Given you've been around for 5 minutes, and your posts consist of berating and ridiculing people who actually make sense, I would guess that you are an incredibly powerful executive w/banker?


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Reply #97 - Aug 11th, 2010, 9:54am
 
I don't always agree with Blondie but I must say I like her because she fights her corner. And, unlike our friend rantingisannoying, she has a brain.
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NO NO NO TO PRIVATE CARS!!!
Reply #98 - Aug 11th, 2010, 9:59am
 
OK,

Here is the email address to email your complaints and your NO vote to....forget about fake polls from HKR!  This email is the government and they are the ones that are making the decision!!!

info@tcu.g​ov.hk

Lets hope DB does not turn into downtown Kowloon!!!
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Re: SAY YES TO PRIVATE CARS!!!
Reply #99 - Aug 11th, 2010, 10:23am
 
if private cars are allowed into DB, will there be restriction on number, say 1000 cars? Or everyone can have a car if they want? Where to part? No parking, so that means building garages or open car park spaces. Or parking on streets? That means a petrol station and garages to repair cars. Then why not open DB to minibus routes? Taxi? OK, why not open tunnel to all transport without charges? Where does the silly private car mess end up? Streets no longer safe, more noise and poor air. I hope someone will address my questions. Finally, I am too old to drive a car, but minibus to Tung Chung or Sing Yi might work for me.
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